Saturday, July 30, 2016

ANSWERS to STANZAS 23, 24, & 25, A small MEETING.

AD 1348
The Norse on the opposite side of
 that near,
great and ample mainland
What was the LENAPE historian trying to 
historian might have been trying to illustrate a sun on the horizon of a "near, great and ample  mainland"
If the historian is in James Bay, where is the other side?

VANG: Perhaps the historian was speaking about Wynland of the west (in Western Minnesota) where the “Norsk.” (who spoke the same tongue as the Greenland Norse) lived. It was probably significant that there were already Norse living in America.
Myeon: The "other side" might have been in Lake Winnepeg and the rivers, Nelson and Red, that are in the same valley. An alternate might be that he may have been referring to Norumbega, which is now called New England.
. Because of the cold climate, which froze all the water to the Norsk man (or men) most likely walked (or paddled) into the LENAPE group from the west.
The word Norse was “Norsk” in the original words.
What is the significance of the LENAPE historian talking about the NORSK “on the other side?”
The LENAPE historian was from Greenland. He may have described people speaking Norsk who came from the west of Jame bay, i.e. Minnesota.
The importance of this stanza is that the LENAPE historian of about AD 1350 incorporated "Norsk" into a self-validating stanza.
.hFrom AD 1585 to today, English historians, except for Roger Williams, have not written that "Norsk" were on AMERICAN shores.
AD 1349
A few hunters
put together
 a small meeting.
[A small stanza
big implications.]

 Vang: The circle may represent an Althing (a democratic meeting) where all freemen who were present could vote
What may the triangle represent?

VANG:. The man elected as judge who had Red hair was an Alban, descendants of the Picts and Scots, who fled Britain to Iceland, Greenland and then America, to keep ahead of the Viking invasions. As the American Albans joined the Althing, electing an Alban as judge was probably seen as being a conciliatory gesture, to ensure continuing peaceful relations between the Lenape and the Albans, with whom they had probably been intermarrying for generations.
Myron: The triangle appears to represent "others."  In this case, perhaps, the local Ojibway leader.  The LENAPE held a small, but crucial meeting and INVITED the local chief to attend.
What does the circle represent?

The circle represents a meeting where all are equal.

What style of government is represented?

e style of government is  government by council.

Which American Government has the same style?
The United States government is basically a government by council.
The English would like to have us believe we have a government like their parliamentary system.  We do NOT.
The founding fathers, especially Benjamin Franklin, created our government based on the American people and our Bill of Rights based on Rhode Island's charter, which was based on the examples of the American people, who Roger Williams observed conducting village government.
The United States Government was based more on American concepts than English practice. 

The properly selected judge had red hair.

What does the “fancy” hair-do mean?

The LENAPE historian may have been trying to illustrate that, although the judge believed in the Great Spirit, the judge also believed many other religious thoughts.
What does the triangle under the “table” mean?
. The triangle under the table" implies that the "others" became partners with the LENAPE.
Think about the situation.  You represent thousands of starving people, who are walking into a land where people are starving, too.  You hold a meeting.  You invite their leaders to the meeting.  Your tradition expects a Judge to make the final decision.  
You elect the leader of the local people to be the judge.  You have made a very wise choice.  Every body is still starving, but by working together the "children will eventually expand."
Why did the Historian think that we should know the judge had red hair?”
The reason will become more apparent in later stanzas.
The situation was perhaps like this:
The Ojibway, who spoke a dialect of Norse, were descendanted from Albans, who came from Scotland, and who mostly had curly RED HAIR.
The LENAPE, at that time, were mostly straight blond hair.  But those Americans, who had been in Minnesota for nearly three and a half centuries had mostly black hair and black or brown eyes.
I do not know what emotion, if any, was involved.  But by the time the LENAPE migrated to South Dakota, the historians were sensitive to hair color.  One leader was noted because he was "Not Black."
So the LENAPE Historian , who created this stanza from somewhere in or near South Dakota may have wanted us to know that, at one time, Red Haired people lived around the Christian Sea.
                     _PART B_

This page was written by Hjalmar Holand,
in 1928.
It took him 30 years 
to get his book published.

King Mangnus' Order to Paul Knudson in 1354 is now Online in the Diplomatarium Norvegicum (volumes I-XXI).
The rejection of the Knudson rescue mission is recorded in the Maalan Aarum 4.6.
. The Norwegian retention of an order made in 1354 and the LENAPE perserverance of a self-verifying stanza in America that records the fate of the rescue mission may be more than super serendipity.
. Both events were key episodes of history.  Both historic recordings have survived over 660 years.
. Yet English historians write history as if the episodes never happened.  
 These episodes are revealing evidence that Catholics, who spoke Norse were in North America before the English invasion.
That conclusion means the English false NEW WORLD is just a MYTH.
. Either the English historians are incompetent or deliberately ignoring information to continue to publish the NEW WORLD MYTH that enabled them to justify the invasion of North America.
This evidence, and more, implies that the English were NOT incompetent.  The English actions were deliberate.  They knew what they were doing.
They almost convinced us that there were NO Catholics, who spoke Norse, in America, when the English invaded.

Meanwhile, they PROFOUNDLY DISTORTED history.
What and when did ROGER WILLIAMS know?

VANG: “Wise and judicious men with whom I have discoursed, maintained their (the Indians) original to the Northward from Tartaria, TO DRAW THEIR LINE FROM ICELAND, because the name SACKMAKAN (the name for Indian Prince, about the Dutch) is the name for a Prince in Iceland.”

At my now taking ship in 1643. "

Myron: Both Roger Williams and the Dutch Governor of New York agreed about the same word.

What does the name mean?

Vang: The name SACKMAKAN (the name for Indian Prince, about the Dutch) is the name for a Prince in Iceland.

Myron:  See page at SANGMAN

Which nationality used the name?

VANG: Icelander/ Norwegians or Norse 

Myron: "Norsemen were the chiefs or captains, because many of them were captains of a group of men rowing or paddling a boat."

I just sent the email below.
I ask for your support.
Please email R. Bentley Anderson.
 Recommend that the Catholic Historians allow Myron to take advantage of the near by opportunity to visit with them.
Thanks, Myron

Dear R. Bentley Anderson ( )

The stated purpose of the American Catholic Historical Association is “to promote knowledge of the history of the Catholic Church.”

I previously emailed to you a request to meet with a few Catholic Historians during the spring conference in Berkley Ca.  

I would like to know the ACHA response to my request, so I can plan my activities accordingly.

Many of you appear to have read my biography. wherein I stated that I had deciphered stanzas of the LENAPE history. 

 Many of you also received the “Answers to Week 11” of the Lenape History, wherein I recorded that Craig Judge of Kean University deciphered several stanzas.

Thus, you should be aware that two men have been able to decipher 38 stanzas of the LENAPE history. 

There are 146 stanzas left to be deciphered.   Because the LENAPE were Catholics, this future deciphering would seem to be a promotion of Catholic Knowledge .”

The LENAPE history contains stanzas of the LENAPE migrating in two directions from James Bay, Ca.  One group went east and then south to New England.  (A second primary source, Wampanoag Morning, describes the route in more detail.)

Catholic historians recored destruction caused by an English armored force two and a half centuries after the LENAPE migrations.  That  episode is not recorded in most history books.

I hope that American Catholic Historians would be interested in learning about the LENAPE history, how to decipher the stanzas, and how the new knowledge might better explain what happened on the Atlantic shore in AD-1610-1614.

Would history have been written different, if the historians had had the knowledge that Catholics, who spoke Norse, may have built American churches, which were destroyed by the English?

Please advise if I may meet with a few Catholic Historians, who are willing “to promote knowledge of the history of the Catholic Church.”

Please respond soon.
Thank you,


LEE: Date: Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:07 PM
Subject: Myron Paine's Research
To: "R. Bentley Anderson" <>
Dear Professor Anderson:
I have followed Myron Paine and his research on the Lenape History and their connection to the Norse Christians for the past decade. I have found his research to be well done and his hypothesis to be plausible.
I would encourage you and Catholic historians to meet with him to hear his evidence concerning this important research. 
Thank you.
Lee Pennington
JoLe Productions
PS I am a film maker with 25 documentary films to my credit over the past 27 years. 

KARL: Mr. Anderson,
My colleague Myron Paine informed me about the subject meeting and his desire to meet with a small group to introduce his focused research to you and discuss its possible/probable overlap with Catholic interests.  

The premise is that recently converted Norse of Iceland and Greenland sent significant populations to the North American area south of James Bay, including Minnesota during the 1000-1300 AD period.

These migrant peoples carried with them their new Catholic beliefs and liturgy, which they maintained to the best of their ability in isolation from the Church in Europe.  They either became, or merged with and influenced natives to become, the Lenape Indians. 

The Lenape journey took them eventually to the East Coast where they greeted arriving European explorers and settlers, speaking Old Norse and worshipping from their understanding of the Catholic liturgy, including the 10 Commandments – in order.  

There is much archaeological, written, and cultural evidence to support this theory.  Many elements of this theory would seem to overlap with, and provide new insights into, otherwise unexplained events in the early North American Catholic experience.  

I urge you to take the time to let Myron elaborate.

VANG: I have sent a recommendation to R. Bentley Anderson, hope you get the chance to discuses the issue.

FRANK (in GERMANY): Thank you for this utmost important information. It gives me a clue, an idea about the dimension of the crime what really happened on the other side of the atlantic pond! But what has happened there was the last chapter of book one!
And now I know how I must write to Mr.  Bentley Anderson.
2018: No Response.  Suppression by omiting (ignoring) won againg.

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1 comment:

  1. The “great, near and ample mainland” may also have been the Danish settlement of Nova Dania, (New Denmark), situated near the Nelson River, Manitoba.