From: Ida
Jane Gallagher
Subject: Re: The
HISTORY the ENGLISH SUPPRESSED
Date: August
30, 2015 7:55:39 AM PDT
Ida Jane
.
From: FREDA
Hardison
Subject: Re:
RELEVANT INTERESTS?
Date: November
2, 2015 5:43:37 PM PST
You go Myron, honestly -
its hard enough without the very people who should be supporting and
exploring this to be so blind
From: Myron Paine
To: Eric
Hinrichs
Sent: Monday,
November 2, 2015 6:50 PM
Subject: Re:
RELEVANT INTERESTS?
.
On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Eric Hinrichs wrote:
.
At the
very most, according to Dr. Anne Stine, the Greenlanders/Lenape constituted
only 40,000 North Americans by 1550, which pales in significant to the
estimated 10 to 20 million Native Americans at the time, and hence, only had a
marginal effect on the culture of some isolated Native American tribes
.
ERIC,
.
You and Anne use
minimum data and large faulty logic to imply the LENAPE were not a significant
Scandinavian factor in colonial America.
.
So you are trying to tell me
the LENAPE were a minor part of Scandinavian history in America.
.
Assume that 15 million
represents the "native Americans" in 1550.
.
A large portion of those
American people would have been speaking "Algonquin." Say, 8
million people had LENAPE heritage. But "The Algonquin Indian
Language is Old Norse," because it was spoken by LENAPE, who were Scandinavian
and who wrote the LENAPE history.
.
You perceive that a
"marginal effect on the culture" is because YOU have NOT accepted the
evidence that the LENAPE were Scandinavians speaking Old Norse and that they
wrote America's oldest history."
.
YOU apparently believe yoUR knowledge of language is superior to Reilder T. Sherwin, a man that grew up
speaking a dialect of Old Norse and who spent over twenty five years comparing
30,000 LENAPE words to Old Norse.
.
I say to you that
before you are a credible authority, you have to prove Reider T. Sherwin wrong
by showing me a documented analysis that 15,500 LENAPE words are not correctly
explained by Old Norse phrases.
.
Myron
.
From: Eric
Hinrichs
Subject: Re:
RELEVANT INTERESTS?
Date: November
3, 2015 7:35:15 PM PST
To: MYRON, FREDA Hardison
Cc: Karen Butery, WILLIAM Smith, STEVEN HILGREN,
Ralph Rowlett , David Peterson
Folks,
While
the symposium was personally very interesting to me, it was very apparent to me
that American Indians, academic experts, and Scandinavian organizations had an
appalling lack of interest in the past history of the integration of the
races. Current events, like the invasion of Scandinavian countries by the
Muslims, are of far greater interest and relevance based on the feedback I got
from symposium participants. What we did learn from the Norse/Lenape
history in the months of interactions leading up to the event, is that the
hordes of invaders of a culture, who have superior weaponry and funding, can
eradicate any society when they constitute a significant critical mass.
Consider that the Bolsheviks numbering only 750 fanatical ideologues conquered
Russia, consisting of more than 115 million citizens in 1917.
As
Margaret Mead succinctly stated:
“Never
doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the
world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
.
The
survivors are those who have the ability to adapt to the new reality.
Christianity is the only factor which has ameliorated the extreme savagery of
the warring groups, whether they be Vikings or ISIS today! We will address
these themes in the future, which are more relevant to our interests.
Eric
.
From: Myron Paine
To: Freda Cruse Hardison
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015
11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RELEVANT INTERESTS?
.
On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Freda Cruse
Hardison wrote:
.
No need to 'defend' my
talk or me. People are typically only interested in specific history
such as Scandinavians only want their history of having discovered
"America" re-enforcing their own identification as "Scandinavian"
explorers rather than what happened after they landed and continued to
happen for a 1000 years - the need to hide history in order to
survive. We did survive and we're here to prove it.
.
Myron had written to:
FREDA,
.
I can only
praise your talk. I thought it was the right thing to say at the right
time.
.
I was more
interested to test the "RELEVANT INTERESTS." Although St. Louis
is in the center of the United States. and although the facilities are among
the best I have seen, the LENAPE History requires a Scandinavian group interested
in helping the original Scandinavians recover their past.
.
In my
judgment the St. Louis crowd fails to meet that criteria. They seem to be
more interested in playing "FANTASY VIKING" than in understanding the
nitty gritty of Scandinavians living in America for ten centuries.
.
The
LENAPE/SCANDINAVIAN gathering may not yet be ended, but we would be wise to
look for a better place as soon as possible.
.
A better
place would be one where LENAPE can gather without a problem and where there
are Scandinavians willing to do the coordination needed to make the gathering
happen.
.
A gathering
in New Jersey or Philadelphia might be a good choice, but the number of Scandinavians
there is unknown.
.
Minnesota
might be another spot, but there seems to be a communications gap between the
descendants of the LENAPE and the Scandinavians.
.
Maybe the
Ozarks or Oklahoma would be a better place.
.
We should
think about the next gathering spot so the planning has a running start.
.
Myron
.
From: FREDA Hardison,
Subject: Re:
RELEVANT INTERESTS?
Date: November
4, 2015 7:27:09 AM PST
To: Eric Hinrichs,MYRON,
Cc: Karen Butery, WILLIAM Smith, STEVEN HILGREN,
Ralph
Rowlett, David Peterson
.
I took time out of my hectic schedule to
speak at the symposium due to my extreme respect for Dr. Myron Paine and our
continued efforts to explore the roots of American History and what has been
omitted in order NOT to perpetuate continued ignorance and repetition of those
mistakes.
.
I personally met a lot of people who had
heard of me and have thus 'linked' themselves and their organizations to me
and the work I do as a direct result of having been at the
symposium. Not only am I considered an expert in Native American
Integration and pre Civil War history of the Ozarks, but I have now found
myself in the midst of the controversy of the Bob Ford and Jesse James tin
type debate. But these are far less important to me than saving the
indigenous peoples of the world and their habitats.
.
Please
remove me from any further Mass emails and from these discussions as
I do not have time to sort through those that are relevant beyond just words.
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From: Ida Jane Gallagher ,
Subject: Fwd:
[neara_members] After the Glacier; First Peopling of the Northeast
Date: November
4, 2015 1:08:31 PM PST
To: MYRON
This conference should interest you!
Ida Jane
.
From: "crystal
trickle"
To: "Ida Jane
Gallagher",
Sent: Wednesday, November 4,
2015 6:38:32 AM
Subject: FW:
[neara_members] After the Glacier; First Peopling of the Northeast
.
From: 'Terry J. Deveau'
To: neara_members
Subject: [neara_members]
After the Glacier; First Peopling of the Northeast
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2015 3:21:49
PM
Passing this along from Mary Stowe, our
Vermont Coordinator ...
Anyone interested in this event at
the Institute of American Indian Studies in Connecticut? Last year’s
was packed and very informative. Mary
10th Annual Native
American-Archaeology Roundtable “After the Glacier; First Peopling of the
Northeast”
9:00am - 5:00pm Sat Nov 21stSave or Share
Please join us for another rousing
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COMMENT
FROM MYRON:
SOMEBODY SHOULD MEET WITH THESE PEOPLE!
__________________________________________________________
From: JudyMJohnson
Subject: Re:
Urgent-time sensitive interview on Lenape travels
Date: November
5, 2015 12:42:03 PM PST
To: MYRON
.
Dear Myron,
I have been trying to phone you, but I keep
getting an "All lines are busy, please try again later."
.
Hutton Pulitzer wants to quote you in an
interview for the LA Times and maybe the Wall St. Journal too.
Please phone him ASAP at 904-438-4---
.
It's about the people who may have stopped at
Oak Island Nova Scotia in ancient travels,
and you know a lot about that.
.
Hutton may well be of some help on your
projects. He's well connected and a terrific promoter.
He is on the History Channel Show- The Curse of
Oak Island and another show too,
as well as his own radio show, where he is
showing one-per-week interviews with our speakers at AAPS conference this year.
THANKS, Judy
.
From: Robert Klein
Subject: Re:
THOR'S DAY'S THOUGHTS OCT 29-FREDA, the SHAWNEE
Date: November
5, 2015 3:02:20 PM PST
To: MYRON
.
Read original reports regarding kingdom
of sageounay. it was 1535, around two generations after viking migration
to James Bay and it conforms perfectly. They had left that settlement
before 1670 and Henry Hudson but it had to be substantial for it to be styled
as a kingdom. What becomes clear is that they settled there for along time to
explore and determine their next move and this led to traffic between
populations to the south including Montreal..
.
bob
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or by googling arclein
.
From: Bart
Lee,
Subject: Re: Thor's
Day's Nov. 5 Thoughts: SCANDINAVIAN = INDIGENOUS.
Date: November
5, 2015 4:24:43 PM PST
To: MYRON
KARL Hoenke,
Cc: Christoffer
Lee,
Hi Myron,
.
It's nice to see that old map I found for you
being so useful!
.
You are right that the English renamed the
Christinaux tribe(?) the "Cree" but also the "Kris" which
in French would be pronounced "KREE." But "Kris" relates
more distinctly to "Christian." See the footnote in the attached text
(#4) out of the 19th Century boundary disputes about Canada proper and the
Hudson Bay Company. The discussion of the Commissioners is consistent with our
map and indeed that may have been referring to a copy of it.
.
I think it would be productive to transcribe
every place name (and subscript) on the map north of the great lakes, and see
what falls out… more Old Norse?
.
Best wishes,
_________________________________________________
From: Don
Greene
Subject: FW:
Here is my speculation
Date: November
7, 2015 6:50:00 AM PST
To: MYRON,
.
From: Mountainlion
Sent: Friday,
November 06, 2015 11:48 AM
To:shawneeprof
Subject: Re: Here is my speculation
.
You know Verrazano's map showed two towns with
Scandinavian names either on the Georgia coast or the northeastern end of the
Florida Atlantic Coast.
.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Greene,
To: 'Mountainlion
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015 10:15 am
Subject: RE: Here is my speculation
Bezon my brother
Even if all of your honor is in my perception I feel you still deserve it.
.
 |
| VERRAZANO'S MAP |
To: 'Mountainlion
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015 10:15 am
Subject: RE: Here is my speculation
Bezon my brother
Even if all of your honor is in my perception I feel you still deserve it.
I suspect that you as close as
anyone could be without extensive research.
.
.
Both the Pekowi and Thawikila were
historically noted as generally much lighter in complexion and with frequent
light colored eyes as compared to those with origins more toward the west which
could/should mean something.
.
If I recall the Uchee said they were met upon arriving by
native (that somehow in later renditions became Lenape) at the mouth of the
Savannah.
.
Since I am certain that both sides
of the Savannah were home to Algonquian people that later came to regarded as
branches of the Shawano (and later Shawnee) I feel there is indeed something
there worth digging into
.
The Thawikila seem to originate in
Alabama or thereabouts and slowly migrate northward to the Ohio Valley but also
cross the lower Appalachians to show up in Georgia and the Carolinas.
.
The Thawikila and Pekowi were both
noted origins for conjurers, shaman, spiritual leaders, civil chiefs and
medicine men over the years.
.
I have found a lot of evidence that some of their oldest
family lines were literally designated to be eliminated by both the British and
their Indian lackeys.
.
What might these families have
known or possessed that made their demise so important that literal hit squads
would be sent after them? This went on for several generations until their
bloodlines were quite nearly exterminated. It just makes me go “Hm?”
.
My thoughts also keep returning to
the natives described by Verrazano long before any post-Columbians had set foot
here along the coast from Florida to Newfoundland of natives he saw from his
ship and even had contact with in small numbers (the sailors sadly would
attempt to abduct nearly every female they could lay hands on) that resembled
Africans, Asians and Europeans.
.
What became of those people;
describes as nappy haired, nearly back skinned or blonde haired and blue eyed
or even the ones he considered to be Mongols?
.
Was he seeing the descendants of
ancient travelers to this continent that may have continued oral traditions of
their ancestors arriving by boat or ship from the east?
.
Lots of fun my brother and I will
keep you informed of what all goes on up here and do my best to at least keep
the rear of your horse in sight. Grins
.
Paselo
Don Spirit Wolf
.
From: Mountainlion
[
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 5:50
PM
To: shawneeprofm
Subject: Here is my speculation
.
Well, I can't think of a single honor that I have
won in recent years but thank you anyway oh esteemed High Chief.
I think that
the Pekowi are Uchee, since they share the same migration legend. I
think that the Thawikila were Ciboney from Cuba, who were pushed out by the
Taino. In each case the newcomers banded with local Shawnee
to form a hybrid tribe.
What do you think?
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Greene
To: 'Mountainlion'
Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2015 11:34 am
Subject:
RE: Arawaks
Bezon my honored brother
.
Two of the Historic Shawnee groups,
the Thawikila (various
spellings but this is the one I use)and the Pekowi (likewise numerous
spellings) have traditions of coming across some part of the ocean and landing
on the southeast coast.
.
The Pekowi seem to refer to coming
in from the east on the ocean
.
But the Thawikila sounds more like
a crossing of some part of the Gulf of Mexico for it sounded like a short
voyage that may have been done on rafts
.
The Pekowi were noted early on for
the frequency of gray eyed people in their midst and my feeling is that their
name likely originally meant something like “gray eyed people” and not “men of
ash” that is later applied to them
They seem to be first found on the
Savannah but later shifted into Alabama
.
The Thawikila continued traditions of living along the “great
salt water” well into the 1700’s and even Black Hoof that died in the early
1800’s recalled living along the “great salt water”.
.
The Thawikila were noted early on
for wearing their hair in elaborate arrangements with pins and such in it.
.
Both were recalled in the southeast
as conjurers and shaman
.
But they were closely linked with
several other Algonquian groups of the southeast that sound or seem to be more
like the Shawnee of the Ohio valley in succeeding decades
.
The other three of the Historic
Shawnee groups have more recollections of ice and snow than these two who never
mention any cold weather, snow or ice in their tribal stories until they are in
north America or what is the U.S.
.
Both of these are connected closely
with the Shawano (meaning to the
Historic Shawnee all the Algonquian people east of the Appalachians before
1700)
.
.
I am going to forward you a copy of
a stone found up here and a translation that has been done of the markings for
your consideration
Paselo
Don Spirit Wolf
.
From: Mountainlion
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 11:25 AM
To: Shawneeprof
Subject: Re: Arawaks
.
By the way, those 15 feet diameter stone
piles are the scale of many Apalache stone mounds. The intact cairns down
here are all shaped like a drum.
Well . . . Charles de Rochefort wrote
in 1658 that the Caribs were FROM the Southeast and were responsible for the
construction of the shell rings. He said that they migrated southward
until they reached South America and then began migrating northward
again.
The fact is that the oldest shell rings are on the Georgia coast
and are associated with the oldest pottery in North America.
My
friend, Professor Gene Waddell of South Carolina recently published a
book on the Caribbean cultures. He is now researching the indigenous
peoples of Tierra del Fuego.
Good to hear from you.
Richard Panther Walking
in a Soggy Georgia Mountain Forest on Colorful Leaves
.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Greene
To: Richard Walking Panther Mountain Forest
Thornton
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 11:08 am
Subject: re: Arawaks
Subject: re: Arawaks
.
Bezon dear brother
.
Do you know if anyone has ever looked into
artifacts, constructions etc. in the Caribbean that are FROM our people?
.
I am
certain that just as Caribbean people came to the continent,
That some of our people must have journeyed there
as well
Paselo
Don Spirit Wolf
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